Sun Oct 2, 2005 3:44 pm
Dear all I should apologize for any mistranslation or any other problem. Please suite yourself and correct anything for the sake our cause. This is the web of this article (in Arabic):
http://www.sudaneseonline.com/
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nterview by Dheia Aldin Billal
If Garang was still alive, would you have participated in the GONU?
Bona said: I would not have taken any position in the government.
=If Garang was still alive, I would not have taken any position in the government.
Some of these people want to trap me against Slava Kiir.
The interview with advisor Bona Malwal had especial convict. He was so sincere in the way that he was even very nervous. He was speaking with dignity that could frighten anybody when it comes to consequences. Mr. Bona as a Southern leader always has been a big shot and tried to keep the balance since the Seventies. A lot of stories are to be said between him and president Numeri. Some of these stories are outrages. Some of politic Protestants came in persuasive manners.
I started from the end.
Being an advisor of the president, came with a lot of rumors that you did not accept the position. After few days you were swearing before the president taking the position.
= I did not reject the position in the first place. If I had rejected the position, I wouldn’t come back on the second day to make an auth. I wanted to know what field I should be an advisee. When the president explained where precisely he wanted my help, I accept it with caution.
What is that field?
=Since the president did not reveal it publicly, I wouldn’t either.
It was said that you (the advisors) are just power seekers?
=Let the time prove that, you or who ever said that, are rushing the convictions.
Your relationship with Slava Kiir is very controversy and made a lot of suspicions?
=Salva Kiir is very thankful to me as a second person in the SPLA/M but I had a dispute with the leader (Dr. Garang). Despite that he refused to abandon me (Dr. Garang) and provided me protection for 12 years. That should prove the element of the strength and the values of the man whom he is.
What is the nature of your relationship with Salva Kiir is it personally or because he is from the same place you are?
=We are both from Dinka and from the same area; such of these relationships are existed in Sudan’s politics. I don’t know what make it controversy. I should think that there are some other parties who want to turn Salva against me.
Bagan Amum said it’s better for Bona to cooperate with the whole SPLM and not Salva alone.
= That is an excellent say. My cooperation with Salva (as it used to be with Dr. Garang) should mean the whole SPLM. I just happened to have a dispute with Dr. Garang and that’s how I became a defection from the SPLM. I would never differ between SPLM and Salva.
Then why don’t you join the SPLM?
=Let me go back a little, the first one who invited me to join the SPLM was Dr. Bathurus Gali (UN former Secretary General). After I had mediated the meeting between him and late Dr. Garang in New York, I refused the offer saying that I could serve SPLM outside more than I could inside, I would rather be an independent.
How could you be an independent and you established a Southern Party?
=I had never been an establisher; this party was established by concerned members.
This party came as a result of your cooperation with government!!
As a consequence of being so angry (the government) made you.
=So what!!...If we became a government’s made, that should reveal why we joined the Unity Government, and did anyone refuse the Unity Government?
But you say you are the Inqas Elwathan’s makers?
He laughs.
What is the conflict between you and late Dr. Garang?
=My conflict with him was a political issue. Garang was fighting for New Sudan and I did not understand that nor did I accept it. Making of New Sudan to me was a demolition of old Sudan. This demolition should be (only) accomplished in the peaceful manners. He chooses the war way and I will not support that. The main conflict was that he altered the cause of the South to the New Sudan. My own opinion was that, when ever people of the South fight for their country, means they want their country. The party that we have made came as a consequence of Machakus’ and the following of its changes.
Mr. Bona, it was said that your relationship with Salva Kiir created conflict among the SPLM!!
=That is their business, if some of them want to keep Salva away from me, so be it. I don’t think the SPLM was established to be an enemy of Bona Malwal.
After SPLM abandoned the minister of the Energy, South Sudan accused Salva of being a week leader and asked for his resignation because he didn’t keep the demands of the late Dr. Garang.
=I do not know what SPLM’s demands with out Salva Kiir are. Salva was a one of the SPLA/M’s establishers. He also has a lot to do with any achievements that SPLA/M had. It should not be a fair to connect everything with one person (Dr. Garang).
It was said that you personally convinced Salva Kiir to abandon the ministry of Energy.
=If I deny that, no body will believe me, lets first discus the principle of abandons. If NIF didn’t surrender its demands what would be the result if the SPLM rejected the requisition? Did anyone plane to go back to the forest and start the war again? From my conception, there is no any (what so ever) ministry that could cause a converse to being a gorillas at this point. Any political crises should have compromises.
Then you supported the abandoning of the Minister of the Energy.
=I support that 100%. It was obvious to Salva that NIF will never surrender the ministry of Energy.
Supposed Dr. Garang was alive; would you be a presidential advisor?
(The first thing, Mr. Malwal wouldn’t accept any position that is offered to him and share the office (Kassir Eljamhour) with Dr. Garang.)
Quietness………….
Secondly, he was very annoyed. He said that’s enough.
Is that true that Ms Rebecca refused condoles from you?
=These are personal issues; we are now talking about nation’s maters. I urge you not to escalate the mater to personal maters.
Are the Southerners closer to unity or separation?
After all these deaths and demolitions, would you be a unity or separation guy?
=We are in peace process now. We did not implement the CPA yet. You did ask me about the feeling of Southerners. They will never have a feeling before the 6 yrs; the hatred will remain among Sudanese. As consequences we are close to separation. That happens to all nations who have a similar case to us. Means of peace should mean melting of the main cause of the conflict. There is a good sign that started already; there are 16 ministers in the government now. This is the first of its nature to be happening.
Do you expect an early separation of South?
=If the war started again in these very late times of the interim period, and continue for long time, Southerners might make an early separation. I have a faith that, according to what is happening, there will be no interruptions.
Do the cooperationists from the Northerners bother you?
=I don’t get bothered on that. Those people are the ones who want Southern Sudan to be in the rate of the World. These people always get bothered by equality. These people have a right to call for separation because Southerners would never cooperate with their needs.
Is there any expected South-South conflict when separated from North?
=This question has an impression that advice Southerners that we should not have problems. The same question that every colonizing authority would say (especially in African cases) to any liberating society, and I would answer it (as the leaders of any liberation movement would say) the same way, the conviction and independency is our own good or bad. We will learn from our mistakes.
Do you think that there might be a problem in wealth and power sharing between Southerners?
=Yes, I don’t think the participation will be so 100% in collation. As it is seen in the Northern part that some parties will never satisfy with its share they will then never compromise. I should also expect that in South. I am sure that will never take an army clashes.
There are some concerns that some countries such as Uganda and Kenya want to take an advantages of the Southern natural wealth.
=These concerns are objected to concentration. Concerns are always there but yes to separation first and we will solve what ever comes.
The Unity had its own obstacle that lasted over 50 years.
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