ICC Suspension Needed for One Year

Saturday, February 21, 2009 8:58 PM
Koul,

First, everybody including Minister Deng Alor wants Bashir in jail. The 12 months does not clear him from the charges. It's only postponed it.
Secondly, Dr. Frances has lots of concerns about Abiey. He is in the middle of the United Nations in New York. Has good connections with both SPLM and Khartoum. His existence plays a profound role. He talks with all the authorities about Abiey. It is something that we do not know.
Abiey people should rally behind him for some point, but believe that SPLM will never abundant Abiey no mater what. We may all die in Abie, so know that there are no worries.

Giir
http://www.giirbiar.blogspot.com/
--- On Sat, 2/21/09, Deng Biong wrote:
From: Deng Biong Subject: Re: {Splm-Diaspora} ICC suspension needed for one year.To: SPLM-Diaspora@yahoogroups.comDate: Saturday, February 21, 2009, 7:38 AM
Dear Giirdit,
Thank you for your genuine clarification, i was delighted enough for the strong statement of comrade Edward Lino and I'm borrowing the statement of Hilair Belooc; to give you good picture of my situation when I posted my question "The pleasure politicians take in their limelight pleases me with a sort of pleasure i get when i see a child's eyes gleam over a new toy".
That was the condition i was in when i posted my question. I need Omer behind the bar because he is the worst ruler ever in the Sudan political history plus his previous statement literally "The death in Darfur is nothing compare to what happened in the South Sudan'' and no one indicate him of crime against humanity" he was right the atrocities he committed is not comparable to what happening in Darfur that why i want him to be jailed, we missed out so Darfurian should not.
I was still enjoying Edward statement when i found the other veteran Deng Alor, in other words i just want to continue my excitement.
Dear Giir, i did not get the taste of this spices in which you concluded your advice:
FYI; I came to believe that Dr. Francis Mading is fully alert.
For Ngok there should be no worries. You have power around you.
Cheers
Deng Kuol

ICC Suspension Needed for One Year

Dear Deng Biong,

I assume that Mr. Lino Wor talked on behave of the SPLM, also Mr. Deng Alor did not say anything that SPLM does not know. SPLM is a complex entity. One is pure and the other is forced by the CPA agreement to be in between. Minister Deng Alor is representing the entire Sudan which its highest boss is Bashir. So, and as agreed, some 1/3 from SPLM are to be forced to support the agreement and some 3/4 for Bashir.

The most common thing for some one like Deng Alor to ask, would be to extend another 12 months. I assumed SPLM agreed for that. I would if I was in the SPLM leadership. Also don't forget, we are still in one country. Any records that comes to us will not be differentiated by Western Society until we fine a new common ground one day. Something that would bypass oil "our line of communication with West at this time is oil or terrorism" God only would know what what could exceed that.

So let us not mass the chance.

Unfortunately, we are administered by an ignorant world. The only way we can come up with a noticeable conflict, would be our extraordinary performance, nature, or in any other way that is making difference. But, since we don't have one, let us just trust our government (the GoSS) and help them through this difficult time. Let them create as much as they could. When they go wrong in our understanding, let us just use the benefit of the history that they made. And that they went through all kinds of bedevil. We should believe that they will get us out in the long run no meter what happens.

They know what they are doing, they know where to go, they know more than us, believe that

Nothing is wrong yet, but more are to be achieved brother
Long live SPLM, Long live the South, long live Abien Deng Kuol.

FYI; I came to believe that Dr. Francis Mading is fully alert.
For Ngok there should be no worries. You have power around you.

Stay blessed

Giir Biar
http://www.giirbiar.blogspot.com/
--- On Sat, 2/21/09, Deng Biong wrote:
From: Deng Biong Subject: {Splm-Diaspora} ICC suspension needed for one year.To: "Abyei-Diaspora" , splm-diaspora@yahoogroups.com, sscc_Internationalassociation@yahoogroups.com, South_Sudan_Splm_Forum@yahoogroups.com, new-sudan@yahoogroups.comDate: Saturday, February 21, 2009, 3:30 AM
All,
Yesterday Edward Lino (SPLM) supported ICC and now Deng Alor (SPLM) against it, I'm confused whether comrade Edward was speaking on his own capacity as an individual or an SPLM member.
Just confused
Deng Koul

Reviving the SPLM Diaspora Vision/Activities

Wednesday, February 18, 2009 10:45 PM
Brother Peter,

I don't think there is such government in Sudan where you get position if your father was a colleague of the man in the power. I don't think even Bona Mawal will hire you because your father was his colleague. People get hired only if they are qualified and are seem to be dedicated to the parties that in need.

Secondly, because you just want to get that money either from Bona Malwal or Salva Kiir, (as you said) you are making mass in this forum. Nothing good you could do if you do not put money as a secondary option. You will always be speaking out of your pocket and not out of your mind. I don't think that is what you really want, so please revise your priorities.

Those people you just compared me with are actually doing good. Akuie Bona and Moses Ajawin are Ambassadors, Mobor Garang is running a great business, but what am I doing? I did not want to blame anybody or compare myself to Begin with. You have missed it all brother. What I said is that I'm like many other brothers and sisters in solidarity, are victims of supporting freedom. Yet I will never alter my beliefs because of money. I volunteered to do so. That is how SPLM should be, that is how we can build our own nation. Those who want money will go and look for money but they will at the end still die and leave nothing behind but bad names.

Brother, you want to fight for money go ahead but I chose to fight a good fight that will remain even when I die.

Giir
From: Peter Karlo Subject: [NEW-SUDAN] Re: {Splm-Diaspora} Reviving the SPLM Diaspora Vision/ActivitiesTo: SPLM-Diaspora@yahoogroups.comCc: NEW-SUDAN@yahoogroups.comDate: Wednesday, February 18, 2009, 4:54 AM
Giir Biar,

My dear friend no body have let you down but your own self.First of all should have gone home to Khartoum,Juba or Gogarial since the signing of the CPA,Jan.10 2005.But instead you have decided to wait here in the Diaspora,while you were dislikes the flamobyent life style of those Mabior Garang and Acheil amd including Akau and his freind Mose,if I am not mistaken.
You didn't know that you where actually waiting here in the Diaspora in Vain,you should have heed to Salva Kiir,called for the Diaspora to go back home a work.Had you gone back home early you could have gotten yourself a good position in the information ministry in Juba and a good salary plus a scholarship to Britain or South Afriva like those of Bgor Aroul Garang and Ngonk now in Britatan on scholaship through Aweil cronies in Kiir-Administration in Juba.
And way its lot yet late for you just goinh straight to Juba and talk it out with the Gorgorial Banydit Salva Mayradit,since he is a colleague of your father in the Anya-Nya Movement.
As for me I am not yet a SSDF,but as you know Akuai Bona is my friend and Uncle Bona Malwal was a colleague of my father in the Rumbek Senior Secondary School of 1947,they where dismissed togather with those of Samual Aru Bol Banyit AGarr,Sayyid Robin Makac of Police Cheif Commander as a respect Bona Malwal ,political games since they and my father including Sayyid Luigi Adwok where in the Southern Front political party 1960- 1993 and for you second informatiom no body is right now paying my debts as you wrongley and fasley believes but I will see when I reach Sudan may be we will be in the same boat togather enjoyin those money be it from Uncle Bona Malwa or from your father Gorgiral and Anya Nya One Colleagues H.E. president Salva Kiir Mayardit.

And thanks and take it easy body help is coming just calls comrade Martain Majut and also recommend my name.
Peter

We are not Separatist!!

Friday, February 20, 2009 1:21 AM

Guem,

It's always a good idea to have a justified Sudan, but let me tell you this; South Sudan is capable of managing herself. This idea was put into the mines of Southerners to not believe in themselves, to not get away with the wealth given to them by God. It has never been any body's idea that South Sudan can not govern themselves but Khartoum. Let me give a very common example; if you build a house and manage it financially, would you let rival be the judge of your daily activities?

Most importantly, Southerners have noticeably been governing themselves well, better than Khartoum for that matter. Khartoum is in mass more than South. Look at Darfur, Omma Party, Democratic Union, Islamic Front, Communist, Elbaath, Nuba, Eastern Sudan, and all of other parties, all have no common ground. We in the South in general have common ground. Yes there are obstacles but are not made by Southerners. They are made by Khartoum.

Sudan People Liberation Movement brought peace, democracy and prosperity to Sudan as in general, but people deny that because they're resisting freedom and prosperity. It hurts when Southerners themselves are the ones that diminshing or not advertising their capacities. Instead, they sayings things that were planted by Khartoum.

My Friend, we may not have enough power, but South is the lead of Sudan now. Unfutunatly, our power have been highjacked by Khortoum. Believe it or not, SPLM leadership believes a complax vission and Khartoum knows that, you should too. So, when we talk about unity, we should talk about harmony and justice first, not who qualifies.

Should we have harmony in the long run, then we could still come back just as Eastern German did. Nothing is wrong with that. By the way, Germans united after so many resolutions were made and as a consequence, they united.
Stay belessed

Giir

From: gordon guem To: SPLM-Diaspora@ yahoogroups. comSent: Thursday, February 19, 2009 4:45:11 AMSubject: Re: {Splm-Diaspora} We are not separatist!!
Hi all

For me separation is short term solution for south to develop herself economically, infrastructures, and socially and if we become equally to our northern opponets than the option is to grade down the south-north border like what was done to Berlin wall and a new sudan with equality, justice, freedom and diversity will exist.

I dream of one sudan which will be call New Sudan, if you don't like that new sudan chew it.

Guem

Reviving the SPLM Diaspora Vision/Activities

Wednesday, February 18, 2009 4:12 AM

Do you know why Sunday? Because most of now days people talk from the outlet of their pockets not the outlet of their mouth. You may not believe that big people are sold out. Uncle Bona/Bashir have done a good job around. (Money talks baby.)
I could have been a one of them, a over pwered one if I had eccepted the underground or downlow communication. That is why my charector has been assasinated and have been on road running with no help over last three years. SPLM does not care. They only cared about SPLA. I did not have a ground at all to finish my education nor to have a job to begin with. No body cares.
Dear beloved SPLMers, be carful of the SSDF, the are well equipt financially, they have most good jobs and as in political motivation they could get you where ever you want providing that you lobby or support them publicaly. That is why you see those of Peter Karlo, and others making their debt rapidly. Unfotunatly, time will expose you all. My advise to uncle Philip Ajak Boldit, is to clear himself since he is in SPLM side of workforce.

After all, SPLM was based on volenreering mission. I do not need anything nor should anybody. That is where we make difference. We do it because we want to have our land and with no questions ask.
So do it and do care of anyone else. Do it with no going back.
Giir
http://www.giirbiar.blogspot.com/
--- On Tue, 2/17/09, Sunday Taabu wrote:
From: Sunday Taabu Subject: {Splm-Diaspora} Reviving the SPLM Diaspora Vision/ActivitiesTo: splm-diaspora@yahoogroups.comDate: Tuesday, February 17, 2009, 11:43 PM
Previously SPLM Diaspora was an icon of political identity to many of us; it even captured the attention of non members. Nowadays SPLM Diaspora chapters have taken ceremonial roles for historic celebration of our struggles and elections of its office bearers at least these were moments the public heard about SPLM and its activities . What really happen to this dynamic political organization? Is there a way to revive it? I could be wrong in my observation. I beg pardon if I am wrong.

Recently, the vibrant SPLM Women's League took a back seat following its training workshop in Nebraska especially this time of the year when elections are due to take place. We hope the leadership will step forward to do something. I want to acknowledge the fact that with the signing of the CPA and the formation of GOSS the party is triped of other activities. I also do believe that the party could have taken the role of educating the masses about democratic proves such as voters education...

Concern member.

Sunday Taabu

Preserve Our Hight

Monday, February 16, 2009 3:40 PM



I think if GoSS prevents early merragies (girls between 12 to 17), we could continue to be number one tallest nation in the world. Little girls get marriage before completing their growth and as a result, they end up short. They also care that structure to their new borns. Their hights get diminshed by our own inhumane desires. Unfutunatly, that may kill our hight slowly. In the long run we will not be a tallest nation no more.

In todays World where everthing turned to be chemically implemented, even our daily food became artifitail, we ought to be careful of changes of the structures our bones and preserve our basic genetic elements.

So please, help preserve our hight, save the nature of our grandfathers. Sientific studies should be coducted and new merriage laws should be enforced.

GoSS should protect the humanity, the rights of our women and the general rights of our natural structure.

Giir

Sudan dismisses Beshir ICC charge as 'rumours'

Saturday, February 14, 2009 6:31 PM

Sudan has dismissed as "rumours" reports that its president, Omar al-Beshir, would become the first sitting head of state to be indicted by the International Criminal Court in connection with alleged war crimes in Darfur.
The ICC had been expected to make a decision on issuing an arrest warrant as early as this month after chief prosecutor Luis Moreno-Ocampo in July accused Beshir of genocide, crimes against humanity and war crimes in Darfur.
But after The New York Times reported Wednesday that ICC judges in The Hague had decided to issue an arrest warrant for Beshir, a spokesman for the court retorted Thursday: "At this moment, there is no arrest warrant."
"When we have something to announce, we will announce it. For now, there is nothing to announce," ICC spokeswoman Laurence Blairon told AFP.
"No decision has yet been taken by the judges," the ICC later said in a statement.
"The rumours are aimed to spoil the Doha talks; that is why we don't consider them," Sudanese foreign ministry official Mutrif Siddiq told AFP, referring to Qatari-hosted talks between a Darfur rebel group and the Khartoum government.
In Doha, the head of the Justice and Equality Movement (JEM), the most active rebel group in Darfur, called on Beshir to give himself up.
"I advise Beshir to turn himself in, voluntarily," Khalil Ibrahim said, adding that he would welcome any arrest warrant for the Sudanese president.
"If Beshir does not turn himself in, no doubt, we will arrest him and hand him over to the international court," Ibrahim said.
Ibrahim, whose JEM last year launched an unprecedented but unsuccessful attack on Khartoum, said that a warrant would "not affect the peace process, neither in Darfur nor in Sudan, nor will it affect Sudan's stability."
Sudan has been seeking to garner international support to fight the accusations, with the Arab League and the African Union both saying formal ICC charges will not help the situation in Darfur.
Khartoum has also in recent weeks hosted senior officials from China and Russia, both of which have veto rights as permanent members of the UN Security Council which has the power to defer a Beshir prosecution for one year, renewable.
Thursday, the UN Security Council held an informal session with Arab League and African Union representatives who made a new pitch for a one-year deferral by the 15-member council of the ICC case against Beshir, under Article 16 of the Rome statute that created the court in 2002.
AU envoy Ramdane Lamamra pushed for the 12-month deferral, arguing that this would not undermine justice in Darfur, Japan's UN Ambassador Yukio Takasu, the council chair this month, told reporters.
Several diplomats said after the session that supporters of such an option did not have have the nine votes within the council necessary for adoption of a deferral resolution.
They said only six council members: Burkina Faso, China, Libya, Russia, Uganda and Vietnam backed a deferral.
Sudanese officials, including Beshir, have always insisted they will not cooperate with the ICC, saying that any allegations of crimes in Darfur would be dealt with in Sudanese courts.
"It's clear Sudan is not a party of the ICC. Whatever the ICC does it is not affecting us," Siddiq said, slamming the charges as "politically motivated."
UN chief Ban Ki-moon on Tuesday urged Khartoum to act "very responsibly" if an arrest warrant is issued for Beshir.
The UN chief said that whatever decision the ICC reaches, "it will be very important for President Beshir and the Sudanese government to react very responsibly and ensure the safety and security" of UN peacekeepers in Darfur and protect the human rights of the population.
According to the United Nations, 300,000 people have died and more than 2.2 million have fled their homes since rebels in the western region rose up against the Khartoum government in February 2003.
But Sudan puts the death toll from the six-year conflict at 10,000.

Bashir to be Arrested

Dear all,

This is not an easy thing for Sudan. I hope SPLM and all the other parties should intensify their efforts to prepare for this one. What I am saying has nothing to do with whether I support his arrested or not, but we should all prepare to prevent any other random chaos.
I have a confidence that our party the SPLM is in right track and will overcome this difficult time. I have come to know that the power invested in President Salva, SG Pagan Amon, and the entire SPLM worth the challenge and will prevail.
We are all behind you and do not back no bloc.
Here come the very serious time to step forward or disappear in the darkness of defeat. It is your choice to make the name SPLM what it should be.

Giir

Re: Closing Statement by Bona Malwal

Uncle Philip Ajak Boldit,

I agree with you, but my point slightly by passed the level that you argued.
The New Sudan slogan, as far as the self-determination concerns, does not affect South Sudan negatively nor would it make any difference to what we really want. If South Sudan is granted an independent state, then it will not be because we claim South Sudan or New Sudan. It will be either we failed to live under one state or it was an ultimate choice of the South to separate regardless of whether we make unity attractive or not.

There has never been any part of the New Sudan manifesto that claims not the separation of the South. Separation has always been a one of the goals. As a matter of fact; it has been the ultimate goal of the New Sudan. In my understanding, in order to have the free South, we need some friends, true friends "Those who suffered the same prejudicial governance, those who may believe in our goals and had walked or still walking the walk with us" I believe that is how we have achieved the CPA. The CPA is now a document that is owned not only by the Southerners or New Sudan, but also by the entire Sudan. Together we were able to get it started and together we shall make it to our goals individually.

We all know that these few years already showed what has left to be done. My argument was that if Uncle Bona is despising the SPLM because he has a better offer which is a separate state, then he is claiming a very pitiful difference. SPLM already by passed that level and is preparing for an independent state.

Just as an observation, the New Sudan slogan still firing its bullets up to the date but South Sudan's are silenced. That is how New Sudan slogan is so useful for us. That is why Uncle Bona is fighting it for the benefit of Khartoum.

Peter, I did not mock Uncle Bona; rather, I applauded him for the new way of talking. I've almost read all his new writings and have never read anything like that. I also used the very same way asking for blessing of what I thought was different. There is nothing, literally, disrespecting his personal life in my statement. It is only in your thoughts, otherwise.

Giir
http://www.giirbiar.blogspot.com/
--- On Sun, 2/1/09,
Philip Boldit wrote:
Fwd: Closing Statement by Bona Malwal

Giir & Peter,

When SPLM/A was established, we had absolute power and leadership or dictatorial system of rule. Opposition was unheard for. When some members started to question some decisions in the leadership circles, one was accused of being 'the enemy of the people' or 'nyigat'. This was the philosophy we indoctrinated our fighters and supporters. Sometimes, I tend to believe that the call for "Democratic Reform" refers to us; we the members of SPLM. Twenty 22 years enjoying un challenegd power; and suddenly we are now asked to accommodate some parties that have practised democracy for years, is a difficult and a rough transistional experience. Being new in this field of politics, we have to accept our short comings. Democracy is a monster to us we SPLM; the other parties, especially the South Sudan political parties have to be patient. And we have to recognize that we have shifted from a movement to a party. Therefore, we must adapt to the norms of the game. We must become democratic by all means and stop belaming or becoming suspecious when other parties outsmart us. All South Sudanese wants their right of becoming independent, no matter wether they are a party or individuals. CPA, though negotiated by SPLM (which is a big credit), calls for right to self-determination, it is a property of all South Sudanese. The game must change now; and those who call for unity of Sudan, please be carefull. South Sudanese will be forced to call you the enemy of the people of South Sudan. You can see what goes around comes around.
Giir, if New Sudan is a compromising factor as long as the independence of the South Sudan is concerned, then you are at wrong side of the southern interest; new sudan is not saleable. All costmetics supposed to made this girl attractive (borrowing Dr John's sayings) have not been applied and the changes of doing that are remote. If SPLM and NCP have spent four years; since the signing of CPA, without making the unity attractive, they cannot do it in the remaining two years. Just forget it and let us celebrate our independence in advance. General Secretary of the SPLM Cde Pagan Amum recorded it to day in all the Newspaper in Sudan, that South will vote 99% for separation. This is the horse mouth saying it. New Sudan will be borne through the independence of South Sudan.

Boldit

From: Peter Karlo pkdeng@cox.net
To: SPLM-Diaspora@ yahoogroups. com
Fwd: Closing Statement by Bona Malwal

Hi Brother Giir Biar,
Please do not think that our uncle Malual-dit is mocking God,he is a true devoted Catholic .And I have witness him several times attending mid-night mass services on Christmas eve in St.Mathiews Cathardal church,in down town Khartoum, for many years.
And beside lets us all respect the spirit of the free democracy ideals in a multi -parties parliamentarian system.
However we all knows that SPLM-party ,is now major party with a large numbers of follows,because fought the brutal for a long and it had came out semi-victorious in the Southern Sudan.Since the day it brought as the CPA,on Jan,9,2009,that comperhensive peace agreement,that was soak with the blood of ,2- millions dead Southerns, for almost ,21 ,years of our lives.
Therefore this sem-victorious SPLM-party,actually now need a strong opposition party in the Southern Sudan Nation.So that the SPLM-party, can be in a strong position to competes with the other strong opposition parties on equal footing in the political arena and political theater of the South Sudan.Or else it will look like the SPLM-party, is actually exercising a one political party dictatorship system.
Just look at the two major political parties of e,g,the Democratic and Republican parties respectively here in the USA.The two parties always competes against each other in a well developed democracy and good advance governance system,with out dictatorship. That is why we had president Obama,currently ruling as the first Black African American president for the whole of the Unitet State of America.

The question of the separation of the Southern Sudan,has already been sovled by the CPA,where as the whole Southern Sudan,is given the right for self determination in an international supervise referendum in year 2011and its sealed.

Therefore Uncle Bona's party, can say what ever they wants ,which its party think that is concerning the independence of Southern sudan.And I think that is their freedom of speech and their to exciser their rights in a free political expressions ,especially at this current time following the signing of the CPA.

You must also not for get that uncle Bona-dit,was a one time an adarent supporter of the SPLA/ Movement ,Way back Before his falling out with late Dr.John Garang.And also Uncle Bona,too use to belongs to the Southern Front party,that was advocating the independence of Southern Sudan,through self-determination.

Therefore I even support his candidancy if he real wants to runns against Mr.Kiir,for the GoSS presidency,in the coming general election of 2009.He is actually free to do that with out he wants to do peacefully and politically .Provided that his opposition political dose no cause any troubles with the SPLM-party .
And the SPLM-party,must really be now open to accept free democratic competion in a free and fair general electing this year in July. As it was clearly stated in the CPA,and the INC,by both coalsion ruling political partners of the NCP and SPLM-party ,since Jan,2005 and so allow Malual-dit,to speak his mind please !

And thanks.
Peter

----- Original Message -----
From: Giir Biar
To: mailto:SPLM-Diaspora@%20yahoogroups.%20com

Dear SPLM Members,
Youth of SSDF

The article below reminds me of the disappearance of my 17 page article which was lost in October of 2008. I wrote that article when I was in jail. The article was meant to be forwarded to GoSS Mission, Washington, DC for help in posting but, it has never reach DC and also never come back. When I read between most of these lines I see my own wards that were directed to SSDF as in defense of SPLM.

However, I am trying to question or respond to few things here, hoping that the claimed Youth of SSDF may want to reconsider their position in their upcoming convention. After all, the article was sent out in purpose of debating the SPLM.

I do not think that there is prove of how the SPLM is threatening the Northerners or other Southern parties as Dr. Malwal puts it. SPLM is a partner of NCP and other parties including SSDF for all the last four years. That is a concrete prove to shaw that there is harmony among all political parties in Sudan.

How would you want an independent state from Khartoum while you are well supported by the North? The right of self-determination was and still being fought by the Southerners. It is not taken for granted yet. Since the SSDF does not want to confront Khartoum in anyways, how would they bring the self-determination? That is the very same thing that led Dr. Machar and Lam Akol to retrieved their way back. What would be new in SSDF tracks? I think the result of such a relationship may again end in either of the following two predictions; 1/ When SSDF gets fat up and stop taking no more lies, they will recover at a very narrow stage and ask the forgiveness from the SPLM. 2/ Khartoum will either deny the authenticity of any claim made by SSDF, or force them to join the army if they fail. Is that the thing we really want to drag our people into again?

Giving thanks to Khartoum because of having higher seats has never been a good thing for the South because it was not from favoring we achieved those seats, it was a right that South claimed in more than 50 years of efforts. We in the South, are still looking for more than these few seats. These are our plain rights that make our every morning a short of a good relationship with Khartoum. In another word, we in the SPLM are the ones that will never let Khartoum get away with what does not belong to them.
I did not detect any new step or goal of SSDF towards implementation of the right of self-determination except that they are pitifully claiming South Sudan instead of New Sudan.

For what it worth, I am glad that Uncle Bona is using divinity language...calling almighty God.. may God also use that in return to bless South Sudan by giving what is right for all. Perhaps to save any postponement of today's conflict for an other more generations to start or give more life again for the same reasons that we have already achieved today.

Giir Biar